The MH17 Investigation and the Parts they Just Don’t Care About

Graham Phillips (photos by myself, either parts in question, or parts on MH17 site in July 2015, all sent to official investigation as part of this email stream)

Even if your experience of aircraft investigations extends only to watching Aircrash Investigation, you know one thing. Aircrash investigators always want to collect every single part of the plane they possibly can – that’s the only way IMG_3845-MOTIONthey can come to the correct result.

That’s certainly what I thought as I started work on the MH17 site over 9 months ago. Countless pieces found and photographed since, I’ve been collaborating with the official investigation since February of this year, sending them all my reports and relevant photos / videos from site.

On the site extensively over July, a lot came up – from human bones to sizeable parts of flight MH17 – the Dutch-led investigation, based in Amsterdam, were kept apprised of each finding, as I worked alongside journalist Patrick Lancaster, on the MH17 site shortly after the tragedy, on July 17th, 2014.

I’d always adhered to a policy of never removing parts from the site, unlike Dutch journalist who Jeroen Akkermans who decided to start removing parts from site, rather writing to investigators with photos / videos, and location details. However, when out on 1mhc July 22nd questioning local people in the several villages located on the MH17 site, two of them replied that parts of MH17 (pictured) had fallen on their homes, they hadn’t known what to do with them, and thus the pieces of the downed liner were still in their possession.

Both willingly volunteered, and fetched the pieces. One of them, an Air Flow unit (right), was particularly interesting, sheared with signs of 1mhoexplosion all over. I immediately contacted the investigation, with photos – all these emails are as written, with individual names removed, as the investigators asked me to do from the outset –

Hello ….,

Patrick and myself were around the villages MH17 came down in today.

2 homeowners we spoke to had pieces which had fallen on their houses, and they simply didn’t know what to do with them.

Please find photos of them attached. The Air Flow looks like an important part, with visible signs of damage.

I have them with me, and am keen to get them to you as soon as possible.

Best wishes, Graham

The next day I heard back –

Hi Graham

Again thanks for your information. I passed threw the mail to ………@mindef.nl

You had already contact with him

I responded to that the next day –

Thank you,,,,,
 
Obviously I’m keen to get these parts to you as soon as possible. I’ll be in Russia next week, so let me know what you’d like to do.
 

1mhaVery best, Graham

And the next

I have the parts with me, and will be in Russia soon – I’m willing to bring them to you myself, in Amsterdam, if required.

Let me know, best, Graham

The next day, I heard back –

Hello Graham,

Thank you very much for your email.

We appreciate your help with our efforts to support the efforts of our repatriation mission.

Currently we have arrangements with the mayors of Hrabove, Rosznypne en Petropavlivka and fire chief in Torres. They collect and hold all items that are found, i.e. human remains, personal belongings and wreckage of the aircraft until we recover them. So it would be helpful if you could hand them over to any of the above.

Thank you again,

MH17 part1By this time, I was already on the way out of Donbass, almost at the border, travelling to Russia, and had a choice to make. Both the parts were in my possession, and Patrick was able to take them back to Donbass with him, as I went on. However, I simply wasn’t willing to let the Air Flow, which could clearly yield important information, just go to any one of several undefined places, casually mentioned. I replied –

Hello ….,
 
I certainly find your reply surprising. Of the two parts, one, the Air Flow, is key. I was writing to you for several days before receiving a reply. And the reply that I MH17 part2should give the parts to any one of a number of people in a number of places hardly seems adequate.
 
As air investigators, particularly with the results of your investigation due soon, and preliminary reports already leaked, you should want all the parts at once. I even offered to deliver these parts to you myself. As it is, I’ve never heard of any agreement with those people you mention, to repatriate parts to you. Actually the men working on site to collect parts they presumed would be collected by the OSCE, in December, were similarly unaware of that.
 
It’s certainly not something the locals are aware of, if it exists, as you say. In any case, the vague instruction to place an important part in one of several places, showing no real interest in where, nor when you would collect it, is hardly what I’d expect of a proper, thorough airline investigation which will deliver justice for the 298 victims of flight MH17.
 
I’ve tried to believe in your investigation, despite all evidence and reports that the investigation is either corrupt or incompetent.
 
However, i do find the lack of interest in a potential key part to be beyond the pale.
 

I’ve now left Donbass, one part I left there with my colleague Patrick, whom you know, they key part, the Air Flow, I have with me in Moscow. It has remained in my possession all the time, is exactly as i found it.

Let me know how you wish to proceed.

Very best, Graham

I heard this on the same day –

Hello Graham,
 
As I am travelling as well, I have  to discuss your concerns with our backoffice. I will come back to you with a answer latest by Thursday.
 

In the meantime rest assured that we do appreciate your help.

Best,

mh17 parts1I then received this yesterday, August 5th –

Hello Graham,

As promised I would come back to you with an answer regarding the aircraft parts that you have in you possession.

The current arrangement we have in place with the SES and local mayors regarding the collection and storage is working perfectly. I am sorry you have other thoughts and observations. Our agencies are currently working on a plan to recover ( in the coming weeks)  the wreckages that have been collected by the local population. This also includes the parts that you and Patrick still have in your possession.

I will inform you when we have a team on the ground so you can return the item to investigation team.

Again thank you for your help and support.

MH17 partsI responded on the same day – 

Let’s be clear about this, whether by conspiracy or incompetence, you are currently conducting what must surely be the worst major aircrash investigation in the history of the aviation industry. If you do arrive at the truth it will be a miracle rather by design.

Let me hit on the point you make about your current arrangements ‘working perfectly’. This is how ‘working perfectly’ really is –
 
– none of the hundreds of local people I’ve spoken to have ever made any mention of being aware of your arrangement
– you gave no addresses of the several places you listed I could put the pieces, if I chose
– you didn’t give me the names of any contacts there, or how – even if – I should confirm to whom they had been given – what documentation is there, for example, to ensure things are to procedure?
– you didn’t ask where the pieces were found
– the delay in your replying meant that by the time I received note of your intentions I had had to leave for Russia, I took the most significant part with me to Russia, the Air Flow, where I’m keeping it safely, the other is being kept safely back in Donbass, by Patrick.
 
I believe in such an important matter, that everything must be done to protocol. If I have an important part of the plane, you must say –
 
– exactly where I should take it, and who will collect it
– there must be documentation there to confirm everything is to procedure
 
MH17 parts3And it should go without saying, that the matter should be resolved quickly – it’s now 2 weeks since I first contacted you about this. I certainly don’t understand why you would reject my offer to bring the parts to you myself, as a matter of urgency. I would have got on the next plane with them, at my own expense, just to give the investigation the best opportunity of reaching the truth. To do that, of course, you need all the evidence.
 
I note that over recent weeks various leaks have emerged from the investigation, and noises from you, that you are ‘ahead of schedule’ etc, in the run up to October’s first announcement of findings.
 
I find any assertion that your investigation is ‘ahead of’ or even ‘on’ schedule to be confounding. To reach any kind of meaningful result requires the analysis of all significant parts. There are significant parts still left on site, as well as human remains, as myself and Patrick have been informing you of for months.
 
And then, there are all kinds other parts lying all around the site – as in the below photos attached, taken July 18th and 22nd. These have both been posted on my social media sites, which you have informed me several times you follow, as well as yourselves being notified directly either by Patrick, myself, or both.
 
None of this investigation corresponds to anything ‘working perfectly’ – all of it is just an absolute mess. These are parts we were given by local people when we knocked on their doors – how many more parts like this are out there because people are not aware of where to take them?? People have not been made aware.
 
I won’t be back in Donbass until September. Please let me know how I can convey the Air Flow part to you, and Patrick, with a part of the plane’s body in his possession, is equally keen. Both of us will demand that everything is done to proper practice and protocol – the 298 victims of MH17 deserve no less, and they deserve a lot better than this.
 
I reserve the right to republish parts of our correspondence on my site, the Truth Speaker. I await instructions on what to do with the Air Flow.
 

I’m deeply disappointed in this entire experience. MH17 was a tragedy, a botched investigation blaming the wrong people, will be another one.

What else can you say to an investigation that doesn’t really want parts of the plane it’s investigating?

50 thoughts on “The MH17 Investigation and the Parts they Just Don’t Care About”

    1. You criticized one journalist for removing MH17 parts (evidence) from the scene and yet you admit you did the same yourself and took your evidence to Russia. You have no more right to “tamper” with MH17 evidence than the other reporter. Taking it to Russia, from a political perspective, was the best way to taint the “evidence”. How can legitimately complain about or criticize the MH17 investigation when you yourself are undermining it?

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  1. Reblogged this on Today,s Thought and commented:
    Graham, darkness surrounds us all while most ignore, avoid, turn away from truth like some unwanted plague not realizing. that eventually the dark will fall , at their door. So few carry the light and if I may be permitted to state, ” you are one “. Stay safe.

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  2. It might be worthwhile to track down their stated contacts/repositories and see exactly what has been accumulated from residents thus far, and if any of this activity has been communicated back to the investigative team. If the process is working as perfectly as they claim, and exactly nothing has been handed in (as I suspect) their bias is obvious.

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    1. “It might be worthwhile to track down their stated contacts”
      Oh come off it, the whole thing is a pile of piss to pretend they’re doing something!

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  3. “However, i do find the lack of interest in a potential key part to be beyond the pale.”

    Something of an understatement there.
    They don’t deserve to be given these parts, they have lost credibility of trustworthiness. Hang on to it yourself Graham, and only allow it in the presence of those who aren’t under a corrupt contract with the Kiev junta. Could be good if you could produce some enlarged photos of it. Though there’s already plenty very strong photo evidence elsewhere that it was a missile plus cannon and not a buk missile either. This even included copper coloration around bullet holes. (Have you been following the discussions of this evidence?) Would be good if you could do likewise with any significant pieces. I would recommend leaving it in Russia except that then it would be considered a Russian fake! Is there some reliably impartial country?

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    1. I think they gave you the solution most convenient to you, for a place close to you, and you keep asking for more.
      Mind you, it is a war zone out there, you feel comfortable but Dutch citizen’s don’t.
      There was word that several nations would send their military, but you know very well who wouldn’t have liked that…

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  4. It’s a major disaster for fellow Malaysian and other passengers in MH17. Every family members and country should know what was happening on so called accident. Every evidence should be treat equally and with proper procedure with any means.

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    1. Indeed but Malaysia is not a powerful or “important” country, so can be ignored by the Natophiles. Even the Lockerbie plane bombing has not had an honest investigation carried out decades later, due to political convenience of blaming Gaddafi’s government/regime. I suspect the investigators don’t want more parts because they are sick to death of having to work on a project of deceit and intimidation. My own guess is nothing will be released until the Kiev junta falls, and even then it would be some fuzzy pretence like we can’t work out exactly who did what, released at a time to minimise publicity.

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  5. Reblogged this on THE DUTCH RESET and commented:
    Graham Phillips (photos by myself, either parts in question, or parts on MH17 site in July 2015, all sent to official investigation as part of this email stream)

    Even if your experience of aircraft investigations extends only to watching Aircrash Investigation, you know one thing. Aircrash investigators always want to collect every single part of the plane they possibly can – that’s the only way IMG_3845-MOTIONthey can come to the correct result.

    I’m deeply disappointed in this entire experience. MH17 was a tragedy, a botched investigation blaming the wrong people, will be another one.

    What else can you say to an investigation that doesn’t really want parts of the plane it’s investigating?

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  6. I believe the real investigation will begin after the Dutch Safety Board releases their Final Vague Report. Then there will be at least a small chance that the Russians will investigate the vast amounts of physical evidence that the DSB has willfully ignored.

    Save the piece for Russia. Or for the Malaysians who will realize sooner or later that their membership in the Joint Investigation Team is a complete farce.

    i will not be surprised to read soon about large amounts of evidence that locals have deliberately withheld because they do not trust the official investigation.

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  7. I found this interesting, though I think there is other explanation.
    I assume they already found enough proof for determining the exact cause, which are probably the fragments of the warhead. Im not an expert but I doubt that an Air Flow unit could give cruicial information what they dont have yet. Well it would be suspicious and disappointing if you would have found an AA missile fragment or bomb detonation mechanism and they were ignorant about that…

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  8. The Dutch Safety Board e-mail, telephones, address

    The Dutch Safety Board
    (+31) 70 333 70 00
    E-mails
    info@onderzoekstraad.nl
    communicatie@onderzoeksraad.nl

    Postal address:
    The Dutch Safety Board
    P.O. Box 95404
    2509 CK
    The Hague
    The Netherlands

    Visiting address:
    Anna van Saksenlaan 50
    2593 HT
    The Hague
    The Netherlands.
    http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/nieuws

    http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/contact
    contact form on-line
    Contact
    Your name:
    Your email:
    Your message:
    To press SEND

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  9. Dear Graham,
    The Netherlands is not a such huge country as USA or Russia, so the staff of The Dutch Safety Board may be not such huge as for USA/Russia/UK countries and the shortage of their staff and the business of their staff now, as a summer holiday time still,
    may be a reason of some delay on your requests about the arrangement to where and how to suit parts of plane MH17. I see as you have a loss of your trust to the staff of The Dutch Safety Board whom is doing the investigation of the crash of the plane.
    But I sure they all are a good professional, trusted, a high qualified staff, it is really hard for them to work through the highest pressure from others, so just it needs to give some time for them and they will sort out your requests ad questions.
    Or you may send by courier or a tracked recorded delivery serivice or though the Embassy of The Netherlands by diplomatic service and the help these itmes to The Netherlands, The Dutch Safety Board in The Hague, I will send their contacts details on your e-mails.
    You may visit their Embassy in Moscow
    Ambassade van het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in Moskou
    De Ambassade
    Kalashny Pereulok 6
    115127 Moskou

    Telefoon:
    +7 495 797 2900
    Noodgevallen buiten kantooruren:
    +7 985 784 4697
    Fax:
    +7 495 797 2904
    E-mail:
    mos@minbuza.nl
    Ambassadeur:
    Ron J.P.M. van Dartel

    Openingstijden:
    Maandag t/m vrijdag 09.00-13.00 en 14.00-17.00
    Enkel op afspraak – let u s.v.p. op sluitingsdagen

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  10. The Dutch Safety Board e-mail, telephones, address

    The Dutch Safety Board
    (+31) 70 333 70 00
    E-mails
    info@onderzoekstraad.nl
    communicatie@onderzoeksraad.nl

    Postal address:
    The Dutch Safety Board
    P.O. Box 95404
    2509 CK
    The Hague
    The Netherlands

    Visiting address:
    Anna van Saksenlaan 50
    2593 HT
    The Hague
    The Netherlands

    so, you may to post on the postal address to The Netherlands
    so give in a face-of-face meeting on their Visiting address in The Netherlands
    or, if you in Moscow to go to visit their Embassy to pass the item to them here for their delivery service

    Ambassade van het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in Moskou
    De Ambassade
    Adres:

    Ambassade van het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden
    Kalashny Pereulok 6
    115127 Moskou
    Rusland
    Russische Federatie

    Telefoon:
    +7 495 797 2900
    Noodgevallen buiten kantooruren:
    +7 985 784 4697
    Fax:
    +7 495 797 2904
    E-mail:
    mos@minbuza.nl
    Ambassadeur:
    Ron J.P.M. van Dartel

    Openingstijden:
    Maandag t/m vrijdag 09.00-13.00 en 14.00-17.00
    Enkel op afspraak – let u s.v.p. op sluitingsdagen

    so, you may come to the Embassy of The Netherlands in Moscow, while you here, as they put the information about MH17 on their web-side and so they may send, probably,
    or you may ask them to record your evidence and your story and details and passport as a notarial service still.

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  11. Postal address:
    The Dutch Safety Board
    P.O. Box 95404
    2509 CK
    The Hague
    The Netherlands

    Visiting address:
    Anna van Saksenlaan 50
    2593 HT
    The Hague
    The Netherlands

    so, you may to post on the postal address to The Netherlands
    so give in a face-of-face meeting on their Visiting address in The Netherlands
    or, if you in Moscow to go to visit their Embassy to pass the item to them here for their delivery service

    Ambassade van het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in Moskou
    De Ambassade
    Adres:

    Ambassade van het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden
    Kalashny Pereulok 6
    115127 Moskou
    Rusland
    Russische Federatie

    Telefoon:
    +7 495 797 2900
    Noodgevallen buiten kantooruren:
    +7 985 784 4697
    Fax:
    +7 495 797 2904
    E-mail:
    mos@minbuza.nl
    Ambassadeur:
    Ron J.P.M. van Dartel

    Openingstijden:
    Maandag t/m vrijdag 09.00-13.00 en 14.00-17.00
    Enkel op afspraak – let u s.v.p. op sluitingsdagen

    so, you may come to the Embassy of The Netherlands in Moscow, while you here, as they put the information about MH17 on their web-side and so they may send, probably,
    or you may ask them to record your evidence and your story and details and passport as a notarial service still.

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    1. Graham, please do not follow Tiggi’s advice to send to Netherlands. As said before it is best kept in your own hands, preferably with plenty high-quality photos.
      The Netherlands has one of the world’s most important air hubs, and is a long-famous centre of engineering tech. So the idea that they are too small to cope is improbable. Much more likely is as I said that the investigators are in very low morale due to being forced to work in a corrupted environment under a criminally concocted contract (where only one side is in any risk of being accused of blame).

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      1. “it is really hard for them to work through the highest pressure from others, so just it needs to give some time for them and they will sort out your requests ad questions.”

        No. As G explained himself, the facts indicate that the investigation personnel are not really interested in getting this part. Which is because they are well aware that the whole “investigation” is a pile of nonsense anyway (so why cause more work-bother for themselves?).

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  12. Really, your story surprised me, as plenty parts of plane and bodies are still not taken and leaved. Probably, it might be a shortage of money as a reason, too, as this is the expensive job and a hard job to search the quite big area for all parts of planes and bodies.

    I remember, in old days, the investigators tried to collect each and all to put in one place to search this as the rules.

    But now as this is so expensive, they might decided to investigate and research the main points only.

    For example, the police does not need to have the whole alive or dead body of someone to check the identification by DNA tests, enough the small bit just to confirm the DNA as so they might decided not spend their money to pick all parts of human remains, as all victims were being already traced by their DNA from parts which they had received.

    The some may be and about things as chemical traces or traces of explosions as they might have just enough to trace all chemical traces already and so do not need to have all as just enough and job was done already.

    The insurance companies will pay or paid money for the insurance for relatives of victims, for the loss of lives and their baggage, so no needs to pick personal items or baggage to pass to relatives, as they will receive or received the money from the insurance companies for this loss already.

    While plane MH17 was in the air, it was the property of air company, the baggage and all personal items as the property of passengers,

    After the crash the common rules that this would be a property of owners of land already.
    as if something dropped from the air on your land this is yours as your property already.

    Relatives of victims will receive money from the insurance company to cover the loss of baggage and for all.
    So, no needs to pick everything to send to The Netherlands
    as would be hard to sort out this mess of items.

    The parts of plane as all insured too, may be not interesting to be receiving for the some reason. or another reasons or other reasons.

    I try to say that your and my reactions and opinions as ordinary people with their thoughts, righter them are the qualified professional staff to investigate the plane crashes, so they may know or work by their more modern style technology.

    I repeat. The police did not need to catch a person, alive or dead, to do the indication of him, if used DNA test. Chemical tests as the some. No any needs to do chemical test of each part of remains from the a fire if the tests had show the trace of something.

    So, what is as a strange looking for you or for a public may be because we did not know ell the modern achievements of modern technology and a scientific knowledge.

    The some for the blood testing too as no needs to take all blood from human to do the blood test, enough a smallest part.

    I trust to people whom worked to investigate the crash MH17 and I prefer to wait the final result and their conclusions.

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  13. I am shocked by your harsh and unfounded conclusion on the competence of the people leading the investigation. However I may understand it from a journalist that of course wants to have a story that will shock the world, but I am more puzzled by the reactions suggesting that the whole investigation is fake?! What reasons could the Dutch have to point in a certain (Russian) direction?

    Sure, I agree that they should want to get their hands on any material of the plane. However you do not have any information on either the way their investigation is being conducted or any of the material that they already have. You suggest that the air flow unit that you have in your possession is vital and key. You do not know whether they already have more air flow units with that kind of damage. Furthermore you don’t need to have all materials from the aircraft to be able to conclude what brought it down. Suggesting that cannot be ahead of schedule because they don’t have all parts of the aircraft (because they don’t have the one that you possess) is unfounded and quite frankly quite arrogant. If they already have enough material with damage from outside material and enough to be able to conclude what outside material and from what source had penetrated the aircraft, isn’t that enough evidence?

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    1. “What reasons could the Dutch have to point in a certain (Russian) direction?”

      Because Netherlands is bullied by the nato military-industrial complex just as so many other countries are. There is already an abundance of evidence (a) that the investigation is highly improperly directing towards a deceitul conclusion, and (b) that the plane was shot down by Kiev junta (which has been peculiarly given a veto over release of info by the “investigation”. If you haven’t been following all the tons of evidence over the past (ahem) YEAR (and your question indicates you are seriously out of touch with the facts) then please don’t expect me to re-detail it all here. I have mentioned some in above.

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      1. “Because Netherlands is bullied by the nato military-industrial complex just as so many other countries are.”

        Please provide EVIDENCE to show that the Netherlands is being forced to change the MH17 investigation because of NATO. Your wild dreams or conspiracy theories?

        What evidence is there that the investigation “is highly improperly directing towards a deceitul conclusion”? Again, please provide proof instead of spewing nonsense like a schizophrenic person.

        “which has been peculiarly given a veto over release of info by the “investigation”

        This is a standard statement used by the Russian trolls online. Ukraine was given the ability to veto the release of EARLY drafts of the investigation only, not the ability to veto the release of information by the investigation. DEBUNKED!

        It is quite clear you have much learning to do regarding this entire crisis.

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      2. Oh please. Accusing me of being out of touch is quite arrogant. There is enough evidence over the past YEAR indicating that quite clearly Russia or at least Russians soldiers are behind this error. Not that I think that they did it on purpose, but nevertheless. And why did they veto the Security Council? Do they have something to hide?
        But it seems that you are too blind to see that….

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      3. Milton Dean, I notice that in not many words you have managed to accuse both myself and Graham of being “arrogant”. On the contrary it is yourself that is full of arrogance. You take no interest in learning of the compelling evidence (already PUBLIC from photos etc AT THE TIME) that the plane was NOT shot down by any sam missile but certainly was shot by an aircraft (controlled by the Kiev junta) and a non-BUK missile). I could recite plenty of this evidence here but your attitude stinks sufficiently that I won’t waste my time working for such an unworthy non-audience. Cheers.

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    1. What’s the relevance of that question? GWP has been personally in Ukr (and the crash site) during the critical period. He’d hardly left school when the 9-11 happened and it’s highly unlikely he had more access to info than several million americans so why should he have any special conclusions worth sharing here?

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    2. Dear Waarheidmh17.nl, I may say here something.
      1. I have British Calendar printed in UK in 2000 with a picture here for the September 2001 as a nature, a high hills, two gigantic lighting fold down from the sky, each light on separate hills – so on 2 hills… and the writing the moral sense under this picture as
      – “In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments – there are consequences”
      (Robert Green Ingersoll)
      == this all as a the illustration and the message to 9/11…
      2 lightings-2 planes
      2 high hills – 2 twins building in NY
      hills as NY
      September 2001 in British Calendar – September 2001, 11th in NY
      the word with words ‘punishments’ and ‘consequences’
      2. I do not remember where and how I bought this in UK or was a Xmas present,
      but probably I bought it somewhere.
      3. This is looking as a possibility that events in 2001 were planning before and still with the printing the calendar in 2000 to events and included messages.
      4. I am not able to explain this, just strange
      ======================
      5. I read a book on 10th September 2001, and when I read word AMERICA here in the book, it was as someone would beat me suddenly on the top of my head by heavy sand back, I had a loss of my vision, my eyes looked as in a different direction without the possibility to look, .. so I came straight to bed to sleep and saw a night-dream with 2 tall twins here, waked up, as in a normal condition, recovered back. I wrote this in my diary. 10th September 2001, the nightdream about 2 twins. Later go back to sleep, waked up, and it was CNN 9/11 NY 2 planes crashed in 2 twins building,… I was really shocked.. People some had in NY the shock as me on 9/10 – the shock, the loss of vision, the as someone beat them by head, a loss of direction.
      So…. as I realized this in January 2015 only – I received some biological telepathic type information on 9/10 about 9/11 in NY. I lived in Nottinghamshire, Great Britain.
      But I was not able to recognize this as the receiving the information in 2001.
      This mean people may send some messages though the time and space disperse sometimes and sometimes some other people may pick their messages.
      If I would knew … that it was the information which I had received… I would tried to pass to try to save lives in NY. I was really upsad and shocked to find things about 9/11 in NY, the loss of lives here in America. I had a shock and the stress too, a quite strong from this all, as a Apocalypses was.
      ===========
      6. Still one what I noticed as a Mathematician, the some statistic.
      Hull in England as a cross point in 3 air crashes

      Hull in England is the statistical point-cross for 3 air catastrophes as place of living, education, working, known-relatives – for Air Catastrophes with 2 Malaysian Planes Flight MH370 and Flight QZ8501 and 3rd case with Germanwings 9525, Flight 4U9525

      – Mr Yue Wenchao, 26 лет, was in missed Flight MH370, lived and educated in Hull, Great Britain,
      – British Citizen Mr Chi Man Choi whom was in Flight QZ8501, died, was from the some town Hull, Great Britain
      – Briton, Paul Andrew Bramley, 28 yo, from Hull, England by “Victims of Germanwings Flight 9525” from The New York Times
      ===
      7. British Calendar 2001… and Hull in England… I was thinking about the possibility some might used my country Great Britain UK as their base.
      and so they whom planned 9/11 may still were here and looked CNN in TV sitting near in some accommodation in Great Britain.
      Any may order to print any printing job and calendar, but some might did this as a part of their planning activities. But as I do not know something here at all, so I can to say – I do not know the some as all public.
      ===
      9. In 2015 was a helicopter crash of family of Bin Laden in UK and I read this family have their links with UK, so Bin Laden, as a possibility, may order to print the calendar in UK
      10. Or just the odd, as something looking by one way but was not made especially
      ====
      11. Some things may be done especially, some not.
      12. may be just happend…
      13. Really, strange, that American SEALS command shooting the unweaponed Bin Laden to the death to stop him to say about any his links to the American police and The Court.
      14 . But may be it was a merci for him as for the ex-CIA agent here as he was a paid CIA agent, working in Afghanistan before and some one might promise him this privilege as the part of his payment, whom knows.
      15. Russian special force the some as SEALS, but named probably as ALPHA or others used the gas to free hostages in The Moscow Nord Ost Theatre performance. American SEALS were not able to catch just 1 unweaponized man Bin Laden. He had no weapons while the high level professionals killed him as the team SEALS
      16. Only The Court may named the person as a crimer.
      17. Bin Laden might lie for money or for a joy or for a mood.
      Some east type people lie.
      18. So, American high ranked professionals SEALS team killed a man without any weapons in his arm as they were being not trained enough how to catch a man if he is without any weapons at all, they killed. Only the American Court might named Bin Laden to be responsible for 9/11.
      19. American SEALS killed the resource of the information and links to all events in USA, so if some Americans helped for money.. the information was covered.
      20. how and whom might have the information about the work of airport security procedures in NY as not from people whom worked here-some Americans… probably…
      21. or… is Bin Laden had continue to work for CIA as their uncovery agent, he might be still CIA agent of USA, working for CIA and American Government.
      22. Bin Laden took money from CIA to be their agent. Do you believe he stopped to value and to like money and life and forgot all his friends.
      23. But it would so uncomfortable for some to be mention..
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      24. I have any information. I saw as the police investigation was stopped and money move to wars in Iran, Afghanistan. The police investigation to search and to investigate 9/11 was stopped to a some military action instead.
      25. USA was in the war with Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden – but he was in Pakistan on another country cached.
      26. his location was known – whom ordered him to kill as SEALS did what was the order. they are military people doing what their orders said them to do.
      so it was no the order to catch Bin Laden alive, probably
      I do not believe the professionals SEALS could not took one man without any weapon alive as their team. if so, they were being not professionals not trained well.
      I am sorry.. I am emotional a little bit here. … still sore… I disliked for humans have 9/11 to be killed and for planes to have crashes too.

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  14. Story is amazing (Graham is just wonderful) … The webmaster (or blogger, whoever’s site this is) choice of oversized fonts and obtrusive format forced me to copy the story to word to read it “normally” and definitely deters me from coming back here to read a story…. just an FYI … Not trying to be rude, just stating an opinion.

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  15. Tiggi, i cant but wish it was one of your loved ones aboard. Any investigation is a informed decision, to be informed you need all clues, not just supplied by the highest bidder.

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    1. Dear riversideCA,

      You wrote me as ‘Tiggi, i cant but wish it was one of your loved ones aboard’ –
      – it is not really nice to say this, isn’t

      as you put you here as a terrorists wished to kill people on plane

      you are not alobe in your wish to me be damaged, cutted by parts, burned alive, and some about my kids and my grand-kids too, all living in UK, as I have plenty messages about so sort wishes from unknowns in Internet, some as from Ukraine, some as from UK, and may be connected with
      IP 31.185.224.148 from London
      IP 146.198.156.213 from London
      there IP were being marked in some black lists, so by others, too

      I would say for you easy – only a murders and criminals have so sort plans to damage other people and women and kids.

      Murders. The end of their plans and activities may be a prison sometimes.

      You have a really strange wishes while we unknown and I did not do nothing wrong to damage you or yours.

      I advice you to visit the police to talk with them about all your plans and wishes as this way may help you to stay alive and free.

      I am a free investigator and the search all in my free time, not having any payments and orders.

      Really, I am unemployment people on a low income. a woman 54 yo age.
      Russian Ethnic group, British Citizen.

      I know what it is the stress and the shock and emotions and just try to talk to help for more clever people to leave their stress to start their brain to work.

      I am not the journalist as Graham Phillips or others BBC Journalist.
      I am the ordinary humans. and just putting my personal comments and thoughts and emotions – my comments here.

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    2. Why would you say such a horribly disgusting thing? We are well aware that the St. Petersburg trolls are agressive and insulting online, but I have never seen a troll so DISRESPECTFUL!

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  16. This has got to be the worse propaganda piece written in the history of human kind. Your mock outrage is baffling. The investigators asked you to simply hand off the parts at a designated area – perfectly standard behaviour. Then you began to insist that you hand deliver the part to Amsterdam. This is completely nonsensical. You were told to bring the item to a specific location and you refused to do so, saying something about citizens not being familiar with the area. What does that have to do with anything? It is quite clear you are running out of propaganda to post, so you feign outrage at a complete non-issue. Very similar to that fake video of you being shot!

    Also your comment of “I’ve tried to believe in your investigation, despite all evidence and reports that the investigation is either corrupt or incompetent.” is EXTREMELY rude and exposes you as the propagandist you are. There has been zero evidence of this investigation being “corrupt”. This was another attempt to try and descredit the investigation for no reason, because you and your Kremlin masters KNOW that Russia will be blamed for the crash, as it should.

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