Более ‘Русский танк’ Бред

Грэм Филлипс, спасибо за помощь, русский язык, Анна Сагайдак

 Graham Phillips tank1Я мог бы написать это вчера, но работал над другими делами. И мне действительно нужно быть ‘скорой помощью’ на всеукраинской пропагандистской ерунде?

Приближается годовщина Дебальцевской операции, так что это неизбежно, что украинские и западные пропагандисты сделают большую историю о том, как Грэм “показал российские танки Т-72Б3” около Graham Phillips tankДебальцево.

Вот 10 вещей, которые нужно запомнить:

1. Я не беспокоюсь по этому поводу. Россия вроде не обеспокоена этим, никто никогда ничего не говорил мне об этом.

2. Они думают, что я действительно обеспокоен этим. Так что частично они показывают “российскую интервенцию на Донбасс“, чтобы позлить Грэма.

3. Я горжусь тем, что на Донбассе всегда освещал и снимал всё, что было там.

T72B34. Это и всё? Почти за 2 года работы там они смогли найти только 3 танка, которые, как они говорят, русские?

5. Где доказательство того, что эти танки “Русские”? Я имею в виду реальное доказательство, а не просто стрелка, нарисованная на скриншотах??

Где ‘журналистские расследования’, чтобы доказать это? Они в Донбассе? Вроде нет. Они просто все сидят на диванах, и придумают ерунду.

6. Хорошо, давайте представим, что они ‘Т-72 Б3‘ (выше). Где доказательство того, что они были отправлены на Донбасс из России во время войны?

7. Знаете ли вы, что агенство, которое распространило это первыми, – Bellingcat – получает деньги от западных правительств и организаций?

8. Подробнее о Bellingcat – они дискредитировали сами себя доказанной ложью. И их владелец, Элиот Хиггинс, одержим мной.

Fullscreen capture 10022016 004152.bmpFullscreen capture 10022016 004336.bmpFullscreen capture 10022016 004618.bmpFullscreen capture 08022016 180047.bmpКонечно, Bellingcat является лучшим другом украинских СМИ! Вот – новая статья про теме – “Решение о наступлении принимал Путин“.

9. Очень жаль, что некоторые люди доверяют лжецам, и их ложь распространяется людьми, которые должны проверять информацию лучше. Внесение этих выводов из скриншотов – это не журналистика, это милитаристская опасная пропаганда.

10. Я также помню время в прошлом году, когда украинские СМИ решили, что я “гей из-за нескольких фотографий 18-летнего меня из студенческого театра. Не просто гей, а вроде “супер гей“. Таким образом, вы можете найти российские танки по скриншотам, а “геев” по старым студенческим театральным фотографиям.

Вот – тут “Решение о наступлении принимал Путин” – они хотели разоблачить Россию, они действительно хотели ‘разоблачить Грэма Fullscreen capture 10022016 010044.bmpФиллипса’. Но на самом деле, они разоблачили только себя.

Из-за этого, я могу только предположить, остальная часть этого «свидетельства» (“Решение о наступлении принимал Путин“) является столь же ошибочной, как и ‘Т 72Б3’. Просто, бред, уже не серьёзно, и они сами об этом знают – написан лжецов, и только доверчивые в это поверить.

К сожалению, кажется, что есть довольно много из них!

22 thoughts on “Более ‘Русский танк’ Бред”

  1. >К сожалению, кажется, что есть довольно много из них!

    But what people are really thinking can be very different from what they appear to be thinking. Especially in suppressive contexts.

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  2. 1. США входили куда хотели, включая в страны где никто американцев масово не бомбил и не обидал – Вьетнам, Югославию, Ирак, Афганистан, и это их позиция не обращать внимание на мнения остальных стран и этносов мира. Право сильного.

    2. Россия гарант распада СССР и имеет обязанности защиты бывших совестких граждан – которые не брались Россиией на себя в силу что не было силы найти выполнять защиту выбших граждан СССР в случае их притяснение. Россия назвала себя правопреемлицей СССР – потому и право защиты бывших граддан СССР. Это право Россиией не реализовывалась. Сил не хватало реализовать или ещё какие причины-не знаю.

    3. Бомбят русские города и деревни – в России массововый этнос русский этнос. Оттого право защиты русского этноса у России есть.

    4. Израиль защищает евреев где бы те не жили и бомбит и вводит израильские войска в Палестину – это Конгресс США не смущает. И никого не смущает что Израиль защищает евреев проживающих в разных странах мира.

    5. Германия брала хлопоты по этноческим немцам.

    6. США и Великобритания разные страны мира и интересы порой разные совершенно – но союзники как используют английский язык. т.е. моюзничество на основе общего английского языка.

    7. Я допускаю возможным что была некая помощь России русскому этносу Украины. Но вот США поставялет американское оружие в зону военного конфликта Израиль-Палестина Израилям и евреям – и Конгресс США и Президентов США это не волнует — считается допустимо Израилю евреев и израильтян защищать — а для России вдруг -нельзя.

    8. Американские военные базы по всему миру по периметру России тоже — не на своей коренной земле территории США. Так почечу американцы оставляют себе право размещать своё американское оружие и соладат в любой стране мира и воевать в любой стране мира — но когда это делает кто-то другой – их вдруг это так сильно коробит?

    9. Есть рынок продажи оружия. После распада СССР Россия распродавали активы в разные страны мира и те потом перепродавали. Украина имела российское оружие – оно досталось ей после распада СССР. Перепродавала его. Имела и российского производства танки. А потому танки российского производства на Украине не показатель что Россия ихх туда ввела – могли быть и с давних времён до конфликта.

    10. Вряд ли бы украинская таможня и пограничники пропустили бы колонны российских танков с России на Украину — а размеры танков намного больше размеры автомашин.

    11. США имеют саллитеты-спутники – уж вряд ли бы промолчали – заметь движение танков с Росию на Украину.

    12. Автоматы Калашников есть в любой стране мира в силу продажи оружия и перепродажи – но далеко не все кто с автоматом Калашникова в руках – русские и россияне. Аналогично как далеко не все кто американскую жевачку жуёт – американцы из США. Рынок товаров разросся Продажа-перепродажа.

    13. Кроме того, часть людей покупали себе такни в личное пользование и в коллекцию. Вполне может быть что коллекционные частные танки были элементарно перепроданы.

    14. 3 российского производства танка за годы конфликта – владельцы танков могли быть и местные.

    15. В Луганске в парке на Тараса Шевченко стоит британский танк – и ещё другой британский танк есть — в горорде есть и были частные коллекционеры танков — оттого вполне возможно и российского производства танки были аналогично в частной коллекции и перепроданы. Как когда бомбят… там не до коллекций уже…

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  3. The great thing about the Ukraine “revolution” and”anti-terrorist operation” is that we now see much more clearly the system of lies and tricks used by Nato and its poodle “governments”.

    The first warning sign is that the bbc refers to a country as having not a government but a “regime”. That tells us that the Nato-ocracy has chosen that country to be one of the “enemies” it needs to “defend” against. Then sanctions and other economic warfare are imposed, along with covert support for “freedom” movements which inevitably lead to repressive reactions. (Try starting a real-life revolution in uk or us and see how much non-violent sympathy it gets from wash or west.)

    The latest bbc thing is that the Russian forces are causing a new wave of refugees from Syria. How evil of the Putinocracy to help to support the Syrian government, oops Assad regime.

    There were no refugees from Syria before the Natocracies started calling it a regime. Ditto Libya and Iraq.
    Yes, we’re talking about you, the USK regime that’s causing all the international catastrophes (other than those caused by the “noble” quran)..

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    1. Dear Dobbb,

      I fully agree with your words here. Any shake of a country as a war oor recolution or the damage and the destoy of economic or the economical crises or the natural dussaster ot the mass illness as The Black Death time — the shake of country develop the destroy of the traditional life, rules, the placees as spaces to earn incomes – and plenty refugees move to find their safety place to be.

      USA shaked the economic of Iraq, Afganisan, Europe, Syria and som Europe and UK took all consequencesof this as coming refugees, so a huge load on the economic of Europe and UK, —

      while USA on the position of a small 1-2-3 baby of child or the mental ill person whom had not any responsibilty to unsper for own actions never.

      Europe and Great Britian too refugeers of war and collapsed economics from USA activities, — while USA do not spend money to help poor refugges to come to America to be safe here.

      You know… I am a woman, and educated as an adult males, man has the responcibility to answer for own actions. that just a small child and a baby and a mental ill person have not any responsibilty to asnwer for their actions as one are small kids to realise the real life, another are mental ill people, through their illness.

      Can someone name USA as America is a still small 1-2-3 years old child or a newborn baby age over 300 years or a mental ill person?

      If so, — this one things. If no, – another things.

      American Citizens of USA whom are voiting and adults, Conresmen USA are adults, Presidents USA are adults. Educated adults with the possibilities to pay for the consultation of the highest ranks of specialists.

      So easy – what do except if a war and a collapse or economic of some country? Answer: Refugees will move out to find their safety place.

      So, was America – USA ready to take all refugees from Iraq, Afganistanf, Africa, Syria, Ukraine to them? still helping with the free travel expenses?

      USA as a bad boy, doing bad things far from home, so no one would come in their own home to say – Look, what do you do?

      Allias USA – UK, Europe had a loss of their income in budget though American activities, wars, refugees, sactions, orders. USA had pus hard to take all refugees from Africa and Arab countries and all Muslims to European countries – this is a huge load on the economics and budgets.

      While USA did not help and take all these African and other refugees in USA. Some came, but much much less than in Europe and UK.

      To be allias with USA – to care a heavy loads on budgets from all their ideas and activities. and if to remember Cynami time as all tourists as American allias in NATO – British tourists, germans torists died — just Americans saved their submarines in the safety far away place, not warning their NATO allies – Great Britain and Germany — so British and German tourists died in cynami. — so, this the future for American NATO allies and in other situation to wait from them as coming from rules of American mentality and attitudes to others.

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  4. >”without evidence your words are worth nothing”.
    I disagree. The words of a person giving a credible account, in the context of having previously proved to be a truthful and impartial reporter, even though falsely accused by others, are worth more than quite a lot of false evidence from propagandists.
    Of course those who believe that Kiev was liberated from RF control by democratic neo-Nazis, that Crimea was then illegally stolen from a legitimate fascist regime, and that an “anti-terrorist operation” then attempted to liberate DNR and LNR, while the insurgents rocketed their own homes by way of publicity stunts, will indeed find the credibility too strained.

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  5. >Cynami
    You are hopelessly mixing up your cyrillic and latin alphabets there. We spell it tsunami (a japanese word). I’m not sure how real is your idea that Americans had some plan to save their submarines. Possibly they just had better information and options for saving them. I was astonished to see so many cars getting “drowned” near the coast in Japan, why didn’t they just drive them away before the water came?! Like people think “Is this fire alarm just another test?” till the flames come to confirm it isn’t.

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    1. English is a foreign language of me after 1.Ukrainia for 5 years. 2 Russian from 5y.o.age. 3, Latvian Lettish from 12 yo additionaly to Russian 4. English on the top since 36 yo. I am 54yo to to 55yo — so, as I was not sure how to write цунами on English, I used Leetish and traslit as cunami, thanks, dear Dobb, for the help to check my speelings. I knew the word “tsunami”, just forget in the late time of writing of my comment. – I checked though google – this was 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami on 26 December 2004, in Sumatra Indonesia and around / Asian Tsunami 2004.

      From BBC side 2005 ”
      UK victims of Asian tsunami
      The Asian tsunami on 26 December 2004 claimed the lives of 149 people who are British citizens or have close links to the UK, say police.

      Inquests into the deaths of 91 British victims and two foreign nationals, whose bodies were repatriated to the UK, were held at Olympia in London from 5-8 December.

      The Metropolitan Police has also listed 52 UK victims who were buried or cremated abroad, and a further six still considered to be missing, presumed dead. ” — 149 British Citizens as British tourists had a loss of lives – a big painfull loss of lives was.

      From Wikipedia ” tsunamis along the coasts of most landmasses bordering the Indian Ocean, killing 230,000 people in 14 countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 metres (100 ft) high. It was one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest-hit country, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand.” “According to the U.S. Geological Survey a total of 227,898 people died (see table below for details).[1] Measured in lives lost, this is one of the ten worst earthquakes in recorded history”

      Resourse: In news 2004-2005 – , it was the infomation as Americans knew, but theu informed just Americans, so American submarines had lavead the areay safety before the earthquake to save American military staaf etc — Americans were 1st to come to film all victims, and to have sattillet images too — American did not warn their NATO aalias as UK and Geemany to save their civilions on holidays as tourists here – so, plenty civilians from American NATO allies countries died, had a shock,wonded, stressed. USA did not shared the information about the future earhquake with their NATO allies. This helped a lot to realise the real place of American clised NATO aalies as a really clearly.

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    2. Dear Dobb, sorry for missprints, I still stressed. I worked as a Customer Assistant in Tesco, I gave about £300 or £350 of my savings. It was sore sore to see the loss of lives. I remember as I read as American passed the information just for their clients, whom paid to have this to them, not to all others. as Americans did not called to this regiion. as American military staff ordered to American submarines to move out of the dangerous area to save their own people, and as they no one passed the information to NATO closed allies as UK and Gremany – probably, USA had a huge interest to search the situation with plenty deaths, died people, more righter to save people of civilians of their NATO union, their closed allies. German politician had been here, surviving as a mirackle. Plenty British tourists with kids. So, NATO as the militaty union with USA had not work to save lives – UK and Germany had not received the information. UK and British Citizens had been not these ‘pro-Russians in Donbass in Ukraine” to be blamed by USA as wanted to be dead? British people and all people in UK use the some English language as Americans in USA – this point did not work to protect British lives in Asian Tsunami 29th December 2004. It was a huge shock. just people with the short memory and self-fishes could forget this shocking painful point of 2004.

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    3. Dear Dobb, my British husband named my English language on the top of native Russian language as Innish — my name Inna. I was being still a victim of a domestic violence, British man had beat me in my head, attacked to strangle me suddenly, broked my chew, immitated the pul out for my eyes on me, and other British villager to, including a blame as as a Witch for much too big size of my eyes for the local standards. On the top of this, someone wounded me in my head in March 2011, so I had the operation on the back of my head to find the broked damaged blood vessel inside to stop the blood to come out as the operation in May 2011, 6 stiches. From about 2005, I noticed as my mind changed the position of letter in typing automaticly. on 1 position or more if I worried or stressed. Now 2016, I still have this sometimes. This as a type of stamming – заикание – just in a writing. I tried to check to a normal right speeling and a wriitng, but if you saw this – i replied as it is without the check before the leaving my reply as published. I managed to publish my book, poems, stories, artickles, so, I did a huge job to check all before. But here I tried to use the alive on-line response as informal reply. Please take my apology for missprinting in English.

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  6. Would you like to say as 30 Russian tanks could be passed Ukrainian borders as unseen to no one on the road, in a control check point in the border too? Can you imagine the move of 30 heavy tanks on the road without any noices at all? and still as ghosts too?

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    1. But Putin personally designed a system to block cameras from working in dnr/lnr so pictures of the tanks could not be shown. Also invisible tanks are now being made in Nizhny etc.

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      1. Dear Dobbb, it would be strange not to have own tanks for Russia with the long historu=y as plenty other countries looked to take their territory and so started wars as the first with Russia – Japon, China wante to take the area till Ural Mountains, including Siberia and The Far East. European countries – France attacked Russia in 1812, coming to Moscow, Germany attacked Russia in two World Wars, WWI and WWII, and Russia had a loss of 40 muillions people and 23 millions soldiers and males as a result of the last WWII. Turkey had attacked Russia, looked for Crimea to be belong to Turkey, Iran had their military atctivites to look for agreas as Azerbaidzhan, Caucuases as belong to them. In Russian Revolution time 1917, 14 countries, including America/USA and Great Britain as now had sent their own military people to the Russian Impair. Polish, Chess Republic, Hungary, Finland, Sweden had their wars or their military people in Russia, figing. Latvia had sent their Latvian Lettish Red Quards as a Foreign Legion in Retion revolution time to Russian Empair, to be on the side of protection Lenin and Bolsheviks power, Caucuasians wars… so, really plenty war conflicts had been in the past. The huge loss of 40 millions lives put all Russian people to worry if they will have wars again, so they tried to have a strong army and the technology to protect their country. America as USA had their blame of USSR and Russia as their strong wish to use Nuclear weapons here – so this put Russia and Russian people and USSR and Soviet people in the needs to defend their country to develope weapons to protect themselves from wars, invates. and so this rude situastyion created the some military type of country with a possible strong leader here. USA had blamed USSR and Russia for much too strong leadership system here – but this was from fears of wars and so the needs of a really strong leader to survive. People can not develop the normal life with the dangerous of wars. Russia had plenty useful resources, which others had not, but wanted to steal free not paying money. Look as plenty countries had wars just as they had resources which other countries wanted to steal free. Each company had the security protection of their property – so what wrong for Russians to have the military protection of their country and their property too? though the history as plenty others tried to steal this or land to them? It would be really strange not to have any protection of the own properties, territory, own land, own people. So, yes, Russia is a producer of tanks, and for themselves and for the sale to others too.
        Russian tanks had came in Europe just 1 time as not invited and in the peacefull time – in Chehoslavakia. But the point was they yes, they came, but without any weapon, as to use to shot someone. See – American troops in Europe with weapins, military technology – Russian tanks had been but they had been without weapons to use to shoot European civilians in Chess Republic. And when I read the reason was as a worry as American army had been ready to come, with weapons, here, so Russian tanks tried to come the first, as game of strategy. the some Russian worry as Americans could be first in Afghanistan had put them to come, as they did not want had American troops near their borders — see, soon as USSR collapsed – we had American troops in Europe, rounded Russia, still ready to use Nuclear weapon – so no chances to European, British, Asizian, Chineese, japnese to survive in the such possible situation. American trrops in Yugoslavia in Europe had not protected locals in Europe, and still humans orhans had been on sale. Americans presence in Ukraine put to a genocide of locals here too. See, there are no a value of lives of others if they live in Europe for Americans. ….. The point of Russian tanks… – yes, they are. What do you excepit from a country having a long history as other countries and nations tried to attack them to kill them? they try to protect themselves, this natural. But a point is if Putin would ordered to Russian army to cross a border with Ukraine – you all would see this.

        3 Russian tanks in Donbass can be 1. Ukrainian property, which was here or came here and started to belong to others. 2. From private collections here – see. British tanks of 1919 in the collection and museums – plenty private collection are, so, probably, some of Russian tanks could be from private collections. People could run away to the safety places from this area, they might left or sold or presented collections. I read as locals took plenty weapons during war from Ukrainian side too.

        But IF Russian tanks WOULD CROSSED Ukrainian borders – they are heavy, noisy, with some light, it would be just impossible to crioss the control punt in the borders or roads as unseen ghosts with any noise, smell, — there are much too many people here – this would could not be a secret. and just impossible to croiss the borders as unseen tanks. so, they had been as unseen gjosts-tanks, started to bee seen suddenly… Can you believe in plenty Russian unseen ghosts tanks? coming in a silence from Russia and no smell from them and no traces from them and no images them on a move too? — but photos of ghaoist are existings. So, if tanks were being here in the past – some possibility of the time ghost images coming from another time are existing. See, plenty people in Great Britain founded some people, unseen things in their photos, as type of unssen ghjosts by their eyes.

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    2. Dear Dobb, I did photos in England in 2007, with plenty unseen things, which I did not see or hear, but they existed in photo images as a really real object – but only to be seen on photos.

      1. I did the photo of the forest walking pathway in Boughton Forest Pumping Station – it was no one here, just the nature. But it was as a human here, just on photos as Boughton Forest Ghost. The gold coat with black horizonatl stipes, the black color and a dark hat. But to see more near – a gold coat as a body, black stipes as bones. so, this-or-this. The head as a fof with two horns on the top, as a image of one face or a double foggy faces. So, if to look from a distance, as a man, a male. If to look closely – another human race, which can be unseen – but can be seen on photos if they want to bee seen only.
      I passes this place – it was no one one, just me. no one to be seen.
      See – the some can be with Russian tanks and coming images from another time of a dimention.

      2. If you see a shade of you body – you can feel this as a solid. the some unseen objects as shades. you may film them – not see them.

      3. I try to say if 30 Russian tanks would be real. they would be heavu, noisy, acted, protected. Had you saw the real protection of Russian towns and villages and schools in Donbass? by 30 Russian tanks coming here from Russia – so other Russian troops too, including artilerry, military planes with bombs too?

      4, There are plenty ghost in England. In a photo from York – York Ghost near me. In photo from me from 2007 from England – Rainbow Unicorn Ghost with a green light-horn. Snakes-ghosts on photos too -may be as images from billions years back in time as this was thr truth. Died people and kids as ghosts on photos of others. Flying Orange-Ref Ginger lights as a snakes as some image on photos, in the circle. and the some – but seperatly from them and one and more easy seen — but just on photo by me – i did not see or listen. may be them had been Agni Yogi which mentioned in old Indian legends, as Agni if as agonj-ogonj – огонь-агонь. Анги Йоги. агония – they looked still as agoni -огни и агония. Unseen by eyes, – just seen on photos.

      5. British man said he drove his car at morning on the road, and he saw the image of a realy huge elephant walking here asa type of a miracle, coming from the million years back in time.

      6. any star light the information as a rays from themselves – so, we had a cross of some information from other planets and from our planet in the pass, crossed with our reality, mixed. but some things as ghosts or shades – they can be seen just as images in photos only, not in the reality.

      7. You see your shade all time with you and near others to realise the diddrence from the real solid things and their shades.

      8. So, as no one noticed or saw 30 or more Russian tanks crossed Ukrainian borders to come to Ukraine – as if they – Ukrainian border quards would reported and other too, — the real Russian tanks are from the heavy metall, used a petrol as diesel, so smeely, leaving traces from their weight, their diesel too – they are not ghosts to cross Ukrainian borders not leaving any traces — but no report from this —- so, images of tanks, some images of some tanks from Ukraine, could be ghost images coming from another time or another dimention or from rays from the cosmos from another planet having their wars, probably, too, not just we had them here.

      9. But if these 30 Russian tanks would be Russian tanks from Russia -can you blame Russia and russian in the attempts to protect their Russian civilians, really?

      10 I read as German and French innteligent had not found here any Russian tanks as 30 . I did not see Americans would founded and reported.

      11. photos are not prove with their possibility of photoshops or ghost images. as we do not know here what was here. no one seen in the reality this. just as images on videos and photos and this all. Ghosts images, probably, as a visualization of the striong wishes of locals someone as Russian tanks would come here to protect them and their lives and their properties.

      12. One of video by Graham Phillips from Donbass was with the image of Black Foggy Cat Ghost. So, ghosts can be on photos here.

      13. WWII events were here, plenty tanks were being. plenty tanks in a peacefull time too – so, may be a broken time image could pass from another time.

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    3. >”How 30 tanks crossed the borders,that is controlled by Russia?
      A u really so naive?”
      While being seen by Nato’s satellites and drones (the same ones that couldn’t see the Malaysian plane shot down either).

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    4. Dear Ed Eismontas (@EdEismontas), I had read your message here, with the mention of 30 Russian tanks in Ukraine – which was not proven by German and Fench intelligent, as they said publicly as they did not found this in Donbass Ukraine, and as Americans did not ad any evidences or they would put this on their news. All, what someone have here – just WORRIES and FANTASIES and THOUGHTS THAT RUSSIANS TANKS MAY BE IN DONBASS UKRAINE. But if you remember 300 years of Inquisition in Middle Age, as men killed local women, kids, men, taking their properties and lives and goods just AS THEY WORRIED TO BE SURE THAT THEIR NEIBOURS MIGHT BE WITCHES, FLYING ON SKY AT NIGHTS – AS THEY HAD VISION OF THIS, SLEEPING AT NIGHT AT THEIR BEDROOMS, AND AS THEY HAD VOICES OF CHATS IN OTHER PEOPLE PRORETIES AT NIGHT TOO, AND AS THEY HAD BEEN SURE THAT THEIR NIGHBORS WERE SUSPISION, WITCHES, CONNECTED WITH DAVIL — SEE, all points as visions, hallisunation, going to shisefrenia to see unssen and to here voices in head – as hard to belive someone would see though closed doors, windows, at nights what was in other houses. and as people slept at night – so, what had someone did at night on the fresh air near houses of their neibours? trying to hear and to look at dark with no lights? and parania, as the fantasia. and wish to kill someone, as a real mass killing of own neibours just through own worries, fantasies, thoughts that THEY COULD BE WICHES, — see, as USA started wars just on the some Middle age technoque of WORRIES AND THOUGHTS AS SOMEONE COULD BE …. AS UNPROVED FANTASIES. No one found Bin Laden in Iraq or in Afhanistan? he was in Pakistan, having his house here? His sister and family had bissiness in Great Britain, so British bank accounts in British bank/s, to trace him – USA put sanctions on Russians — BUT USA HAD NOT CLOSED BIN LADEN BANKS ACCOUNTS – INCLUDING IN UK TOO FOR 9/11. USA blamed Iraq to have the weapons with avaibility to reach Europe/UK/USA for 20 minutes as AMERICAN FANTASIES AND WORRIES AS NO ONE HAD FOUNDED NO ONE ROCKET OR SOMETHINGS AS AMERICANS SAID IN UK AND FOR ALL. see — Middle Age Inquisition technique is working in the modern world as SOME POWERFUL PARANOIKS WITH THEIR FANTASIES THAT SOMEONE MAY BE WITCHES, SUSPICIOUS, HAVE SOME WEAPONS STARTED TO WORK AGAIN. AS THEY WORKED DURING 300 YEARS IN MIDDLE AGE WITH THE MASS KILLION OF EUROPEAN AND BRITISH AND AMERICAN WOMEN, KIDS, MEN. AS SOMEONE JUST WANTED THE POWER TO RULE OTHERS BY THE USE OR FEARS AND UNPROVEN WORDS AND FANTASIES.

      But here is another point. Russians said as TO CATCH A THIEF SHOUT WORDS WOULD BE SHOUTED LOUDLY BY THE THIEF HIMSELF.

      USA shouted to blame other to have weapons – but really USA had terrible Nucler power weapons. USA blamed Iraq to plan to attack USA/UK/Europe – but really, this was American troops attacked Iraq, coming to stay in Europe. USA blamed Bin Laden to be a crominal wjom killed covilians in 9/11 – but American troups use the kill civilians in plenty countries to bomb the square of the POSSIBLE LOCATION OF SOMEONE CRIMINAL. So, Americans killed civilians in plenty countries themselves. Do you see photo of kids in Vietnam as Americans used the chemicals orange here? so kids had their birth without legs-arms? ill? Had you saw as USA had paid money for their criminal activities to damage natire of other countries? for the loss of civilians? a damage of health?

      I read as USA used in Europe in the ex-Yugoslavia their weapons, with some chemical and radiation, so Americans had damaged the soil in Europe.

      I read as Americans used bombs with a radiotion, to produce them and to use them – so such dirty bombs with the radiation had been used in Arabic countries in the war in palestin – USA sold this to Israel to use. USA used themself – it was the Court case as American military staff used these dirty bombs without the knowledge and any protection had his new born daugther, later, without some part in her body – probbaly, fingers, as his DNA had been damaged by radiation in the military service in USA, by using this dirty radiactive bombs on civilians of other countries.

      I read as USA warned their wish to use American Nuclear Weapons as bimbs to bomb all countries whic WORRY THEM – IRAN, RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA. Obama said as USA will be ready to bomb CHINA too, on his visit in Japon — so, each country can be the next as the next worry of USA politics.

      The planet The Earth has a wind, so, the wind with the soil ftrom Africe may feld down in Russia, UK, Europe — so, American plans to use Nuclear bombs in some region will damage plenty countries.

      See, as on the time of Chenobyl Catastrophe, near Kiev in Ukraine, the radiactive clouds had dropped in Scandinavia, Belorusia, in Germany in Europe, in UK too, to up the number of cancer illnesses, to made a dirty soil too.

      I read as British scientics accounts that the use of a dirty Nuclear Bombs in Iran as USA planned, would damaged UK too through the rose of winds and clouds.

      So, see – I am living in UK. in the case of something in Europe or in Russia – UK will be damaged too – you know how many ill people already here in UK, so stupid to do their numbers as rapidly up through the change of genetics and DNA from the radiation of dirty radiactive traces from other countries coming here in UK.

      See – you may blame me to protect Russian and Russia, while me as a self-fish trying to protect interest of British women, kids, men, pensioners and UK here, really.

      The border between Russia and Ukraine is the road with the closure between two countries and control border punts from each side to control the move of trasposrt and people, and their visas.

      Yes, Russian Borders could give the way for 30 Russian tanks to cross the border to come to Ukraine — but I doubt that Ukrainian Border Offiecers and Guards are blind people with no ability to a vision to see 30 heavy noisy Russian tanks coming to cross the border to come to Ukraine as tanks are not the clouds on the sky, they are real, heavy, noisy, with kights, with the smell of burned disel, with traces of this on the grounds, with traces of themselves too.

      I never read that Ukrainian Border Officers and guards on the control crossing punts would reported as 30 Rusdsian tanks from Russia came to cross the border to come into Ukraine.

      Ukrainian Border Officers are Officials of Ukraine, working in the security defence and in the intelligent defence system of Ukraine, plenty of them are radicals and Ukrainian nazi, which would report if they saw this.

      So,
      1. There are NO REPORTS from Ukrainian Border Officers about 30 Rusiian tanks from Russia coming to cross the border with Ukraine and granted to cross the border of Ukraine as welcoming to come to move into Ukraine state. No one report from Ukrainian Border Officals. this the evedence as this was not.

      2. German and French intelligent reported the some their results of searching – they did not detect Russian army or this 30 Russian tanks in Ukraine including too – they reported as nothing here

      3. Putin and Russia said the some. WWe saw as if Russian came to some contry as to Syria – they used to come open, their videos on the youtube side of Russian Minestry of Defence was and is from Syria and Russian military activities here.

      4. Russian army are strong – they had not just tanks, but artillery too, really powerful, the stations to detect any miliaty activities, still they had military planes too — so, if they would presented in Donbass Ukraine, they had all resources to stop the activities of bombing their Russian towns, villages, shools, busess, hospitals, museums, Russian Orthodox Churches. and you would see this. All remember WWII and Russian activities to come to Berlin toi stop Hitler to think that IF Putin WOULD ORDER Russian army to come to protect civilians and their property in Donbass, they would be come as unseen ghosts – they would come as the army. not just tanks, but all, and they would not moved back, as Russian Army staied in Europe and in berlin after May 1945 as they came till the collapse of USSR in Gorbachov time.

      5. I read the explanatiin why they did not come to stay here – they did not wanted to have 2nd Afganistan, as this destoyed the economics of USSR to the collapse, to they choosed to protect just area of Russia to take all refugees from Ukraine.

      6, Another reason – Donbass area is near to Russian border to Russia and from 1991 years, plenty spies services seting down here with their people to pick spies in the return from Russia and on the way to Russia, so plenty locals can be foriegn professional spies. it was not right to take them all to stay in Russia to work here.

      7. Locals of Donbass the genetic mix with British, Scottish, Europeans, Germans, French, Polish, Italians as Scottish and British people from Briitsh Empair time settle down here – Scottish Engineer Charles Gascoine / Karl Gascoine was a founder of Luhansk city in Donbass, coming with his Scottish and British friends, relatives, servants. Plenty Europeans came too.

      8. Scottish The Bruce, clan Bruce, – Jacob Bruce, from The Bruce and his brother came to settle down in Russian Empair time too.

      Jacob Bruce, The Bruce, was Scot, promoted to be Russian Count /graf by Peter The Great / Peter I. he was General of artillery, Commander in plenty Russian battles, including in Poltava battle. The scientist, Magition, The Collector and the Praction of Black Magick – probably as a scientist to search to realise what it is.

      a brother of Jacob Bruce, The Bruce, another Scot, from Scottish clan Bruce, was the 1st Commendant /Council of Peterburg – granted by Peter The Great.

      These Scottish The Bruce, clan Bruce, came from Scotland to Russian about 1647-1649 yy, having a good jobs, mixed with locals, assimilated to Russian Ethnics as living in Russian Empair.

      Poltava, were was the battle of 17 century, is in Ukraine now.

      All Scottish, British, English< others European people came to Russia to settle down to work and to live here since 17 century, some Europeans came to here as refugees of wars and economical crises, trying to survave. Russian Nobles knew 6-14 languages, they liked to employ foriegn servants, teacher, nanies. Coming foriegners comong with their servants too — so Russian Ethnic Group in Ukraine and in Russia is a genetic mix with Scottish, British, English, Greman, Austrian, Grench, Italian, Greek, Turkish, Mongolian ancestory.

      When was Russish-Turkish war, Russian Nobles and military people took Turkish women as their military awards to their houses. Russian writer Turgenev was connected with such Turkish woman from Turky -see as Russian Noble and writer and as Russian Ethnic group already.

      I try to say that USA did not know as Scots had founded Luhansk in Ukraine, British and Scottish and English and Europeans, as there are British tanks in Luhansk, British engine from manchester in uhansk Museums – so, plenty people come, living their decesndents here as people of Russian Ethnic group, talking on Russia as the result of Russian Revolution time and USSR time here. But Obama and Congress USA and David Cameron and UK blamed these decendents of English and Scottish ancestors, talking on Russian language via the history changes as Revolution to be pro-Russians and Russians, while here plenty British and American spies and their kids.

      Really, some men from Luhansk, had a great similarity in their look with … British Chef of MI6, Briitsh Secret Service ISIS, MI6 in 1919 in Peterburgh as Sir Samuael Hoar, the famouse British Spy of 19-20 century, of a high rank, knowing Russian and other languages.

      Really, i met myself the local man with his birth in Luhansk as Russian Citizen in Ukraine, whom …. you know … later I saw photo of Sir Samuel Hoar, died, but, I saw him alive, talking and communicated with him in Luhansk in the time 14-17 September 2010. he said me he hated Putin a lot, and he said me he wanted to add Luhansk to Russia, whike I liked Luhansk to be in Ukraine, as this free visas to come to here for British Citizens. the plane to Kiev or if to Crakow/Krakov-the train via Kiev to Luhanks – and from here to Crimea was a good way to a warm sea.

      Ukrainian man, Ukrainian military pilot Mr V.V.Voloshin, granted by Poroshenko on the date of MH17 crash was, looking as a son of relative of as Sir Samuel Hoar himself too.

      Really, I am sure as I saw Sir Samuel Hoar himself, alive in Luhansk in September 2010. if so, British spies had the seret elicser how to saty young anf to live for a longer and they had been brave to use themselve to try if this work.

      See – plenty locals in Luhansk are decendents of British spies, American spies, from germans – see why Putin and Russia had not been interested to come to protetc them to go to be blamed under sanctions, as USSR collapsed, and probably USA and UK and Europe needs to protect their own decendents and kids from their spies themselves. but we saw as USA and UK and Europe preffered the position to kill kids from their own spies, and kids from their own decendents as unwanted.

      The reason why can be as modern genetic tests can open the truth of knowledge for plenty British familes and others as to be related as their ancestors had plenty kids outside of their official marriages, which may to shock plenty British kids and women and men.

      Plenty Nobles from diffrent countries leaved their kids in Russian Empair time from Russian Noble women, Governess, Actress, Musicians, Servants, farmer simple village girls.

      I think the idea to kill local women and kids and men in Donbass area of Ukrain, ex-Russian Empair may be connected with WORRIES AS SOME THRUTH MAY BE OPPENED SUDDENLY FROM GENETIC TESTS RESULTS TO EMBARESS PLENTY BRITISH AND SCOTTISH AND EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN FAMILIES.

      British Lawd had changed, to value kids from outside from marriage and women as partners rights if they had not been married too. Laws did not go back to time to re-arrange things, usually. But some powerfull people may worry a lot to loss their some luxury or money or properties from new coming decendents of their familes.

      This point may work to push to kill locals to cover some thruth.

      I mean to live in USSR protected by the iron wall from the West was more safety for locals in Ukraine and in Russia. soon as USSR opened iron wall of protection – we saw mass death of women, kids, men here.

      You know… someone may WORRY.

      the some as someone WORRIED in their FANTASIES about WITCHES or WEAPON IN IRAQ.

      In my opinion, The Iron Wall was THE GREAT PROTECTION FROM WESTERN ENGLISH-SPEEKING MURDERS TO COME TO ORGANISE THE MASS KILLING OF LOCALS IN UKRAINE AND IN RUSSIA.

      We all know as USA spent a lott hundreds of billions to organise the mass killing of locals in Ukraine by hands of Ukrainian army.

      I am a Russian Ethnick. My grandfather Viktor Sergeevich Kurushin, 1909 year of his birth in Saratov in Russia,he was in Kharkiv Border Officer School in Ukraine in 1932, and in Nobember 1938 too. he died in the summer 1941 as plenty other Russian Border Officers – 5 reporst in Russian military archive, Red Star award.

      But American Fleet Admiral, American Citizen, birth in USA, Admiral Fleet of USA Ernest Joseph King looked the some as my Russian grandfather Kurushin Viktor Sergeevich and they both had the some their habit to sit on the back of their leg by their photos from the winter 1941. American Admiral Fleet was a Commander of Fleet of USA during WWII, died much later, cremated after his death.

      They can not be the some one person, as lives of each was on the view of knowledge of others all times – one in USA and on in USSR, the Iron Wall was. My grandfather liked horses, to drive horses.

      I try to say as plenty American, English, British, Scottish, German, Italian, Austrina, Polish, Scandinavian, Danish men had leaved their kids in Russian Empair which started to be Russian Ethnic though the live here and the use of Russian language.

      Plenty Noble women used to pass their unwanted kids from their lovers on the side out from their families and the embarassment from their husband and the socium. they passed to village or to Gypsy. Gypsy tribes moved from one country to another, leaved their ill kids in the local village in farmers families sometimes.

      One of my deep female ancestor was Italian Gypsy from Rome, started to live much much later in Russia, mixed genes here. Italian Gypsy collected unwanted kids from Noble women and from all women and they liked to steal other kids too. See, how plenty ways, as i SAID JUST COUPLE, WERE TO START TO BE PEOPLE OF RUSSIAN ETHNIC IN RUSSIA.

      Jews started to be Russian Ethnic group too, if they changed their names and surnames to Russian and were baptised to Russian Ortodox Church believe on the time of Ekaterina II.

      See — the kiiling of Russian Ethnick group now in Ukraine may be the covered mass kiiling of Jews here. The time of Hitler 1932-1945 had return back.

      Sorry, if something disturb you, I said my personal thoughts and opinions of 54 yo age woman as they are, openly, to you here.

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    5. Dear Tiggi, I haven’t read much of your long reply (which would be better in a book than a blog) but your idea that the Ukr war was about genetics of people there is really rather unnecessary. Just the Nato Nazis have always been trying to undermine the Russian state and this is just one more. Every government that has a positive relationship with the Kremlin (Syria, Libya, Yanukovitch) gets labelled as a “regime” which needs to be got rid of to save the local people from terrible oppression. Note how in reality all these countries (plus Saddam’s Iraq) have got a lot worse rather than better thanks to Nato’s unrequested “help”.
      In the case of Ukr, Nato meddling there is all the “better” because Ukr was in reality an integral part of an eastern economic union. It would be like as if Putin conspired to make China and Germany impose sanctions against USK. And it also brings Kremlin-hostile power even closer to Moscow. The anti-Russian Nato couldn’t lose even if they made a great mess of the Ukr war (as they did) as it would be like turning France or Scotland into a failed state from the point of view of England people, hardly anything to celebrate.

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  7. Я сомневаюсь, чтобы 30 российских танков -колонна по сути – смогли бы пересечь границу с Украиной так, что их никто бы не видел на дорогах и в КПП на границе. Танки то и тяжёлые и шумные. и они не привидения. проехать границу так чтобы их никто не заметил на КПП и дорогах. …. Скорее всего, это какие то местные ресурсы – захваченные в бою танки, танки что уже были там в том регионе. танки что были у частных коллекционеров – вот – даже и британские танки 1919 хранят на Донбассе – странно было бы чтобы российские не хранили.

    Если бы 30 российских танков попробывали проехать границу – украинский котрольно пропускной пункт их бы услышал и увидел. как и местные тже с 2х сторон дороги. а там то кроме чисто про-росийских есть и чисто укранские и радикалы-националисты и иностранцы – такого рода событие заметили бы. Это же шум какой от танка! Танк – это не облачко – это и вес и шум и грохом. и огни.

    Так что скорее захваченные танки могут быть и оставленные танки и танки из частных коллекций.

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  8. Thanks for the amazing explanation! I had guessed it was because you were typing to a “phobile mone” (as many do now). Anyway I wish my Russian typing was as good, let alone any other languages.

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    1. You welcome, dear Dobbb. I use the small tablet with a small screen and small size of font now, as my old big laptop crushed, so, this work too here, as a small excuse. I may type texts on Russian and English languages. I hope to lean French a little bit too, as the change of languages as a some rest. Thank you for your opinions, I value your thoughts and opinions. Thanks.

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  9. Дорогой Dear Ed Eismontas (@EdEismontas).
    есть доказательства.
    1. Немецкая и французкая разведка опубликовали доклады что они не нашли российских войск – стало быть и 30 российских танков о которых распространяют слухи на Донбассе.
    2. Американцы не привели данных доказательств наличия там российской армии в Донецке тоже.
    3. Новости приводили лишь ВОЛНЕНИЯ И ТРЕВОГИ И ФАНТАЗИИ И МЫСЛИ американских политиков что российская армия и танки МОГУТ быть на Донбассе.
    *ОТСТУПЛЕНИЕюМысли к теме*
    — напомню, что англоязычные народы имели тревоги что их соседи МОГУТ быть ведьми и ГОВОРИТЬ С ДЬЯВОЛОМ ночами в своих домах – уверяли что СЛЫШАЛИ ГОЛОСА в своих головах таких разговоров с домах сесдей ночами – через закрыте двери и ставни – лёджа в своих спальнях и ВИДЕЛИ ВИДЕНИЯ-аналогично ночами лёжа в своих спальнях – что женщины ЛЕТАЮТ НА МЕТЛЕ НОЧАМИ ПО НЕБУ. Массовая ПАРАНОЯ. ШИЗОФРЕНИЯ видеть галлюцинации и слышать голоса. массовая пароня недоверия и массовое желание убивать — итог такой ПАРАНОИ И ФАНТАЗИЙ в средние века было массовое убивание и сжигание женщин и детей преимущественно но и мужчин и учёных с присвоением их собственности и мущества другим – 300 лет подряд так – в англоязычных странах и в Европе.
    Т.е. мы видим что потомки выживших … сохранившихся…. имеют генетически выведенную в течении 300 лет селекции в Средние века ПАРАНОЮ И ФАНТАЗИИ И ЖЕЛАНИЕ ИДТИ КОГО ТО УБИВАТЬ НА ОСНОВЕ СВОИХ ФАНТАЗИЙ.
    Причём не происходит раздения и разграничения ФАНТИАЗИЙ И ТРЕВОГ и РЕАЛА.
    Все люди знают про селекцию и породы собак. Каждая порода селекционирована под определённые задачи. Пастушья овец – хорошо в семьях и с детьми. Агресивные породы собак были от собак гладиаторов и мясников – гнать на мясобойню стало коров и быков или захваченных в плен людей на убийство.
    Сделать ещё шаг?
    Признать что в Средние Века была проведена генетическая селекция в англоговорящих странах и в Европе. Как порд собак и скота людей селекционировали – уничтожая. жёстко так уничтожая.

    Что теперь? Теперь селекционно выведенные англоязычные породы людей имеют ксенофобию к внешнему виду людей других стран мира.

    Ксенофобия биологический признак выбора партнёров своей селекционной группы. Птицы – по породам выбирают патнёров.

    Признак же разделения на разные биологические породы – когда потомков нет. Пример. Лошади и ослы могут иметь потомтво-детёнышей – мулов. Мулы далее не размножаются.

    У людей Хомо Сапиенс есть предначало разделения на разные биологические под-породы – такие пары могут не иметь детей. Жить вместе – а детей не иметь.

    Технически. Люди и обезьяны могут иметь секс и так далее – но не потомство. Так как генетика разная и количество пар хромосов тоже.

    И вот получили водораздел. Ксенофию начала поредпоссылки образования новых биологических под-видлв человека. А биологически пока все один род Хомо Сапинес.

    Ксенофобия же на основе что 300 лет селекции таки было в Средние Века. оставили малые группы и те имели детей в малых группах.

    Смотрите – лебеди и гуси и утки и воробь и журавли – все птицы. а ксенофобия определяет поддержку размножения и выбора партнёров внутри своей биологически сложившейся под группы.

    Было фото и информация – маленький пёсик по размеру живя на ферме использовал… курицу… но курица курособачат в яйца не отложила. Породы разные.

    А у Хомо Сапиенсов при наличии ксенофобии что признак предтечи образования под-вида, технически у всех порода одна — как у собак чьей внешний вид пород поддерживается селекционно хотя они могут технически иметь щенков и смешиваться.

    Если копнёт антропологию, увидим вид людей как гуманоидов за огромный промежуток времени. но названия будут разные всем. по генетике которая отлична.

    И вот ксенофобия привела к уничтожению других рас и видов. Что сейчас признают ошибкой. и даже хотят возрадить их попробывать генетической инженерией. Но притом совершенно спокойно принимают массовую гибель и уничтожение женщин и детей и мудчин своей собственной расы Хомо Сапиенс на Донбассе Украина в Европе.

    Убивают всегда лучших. Как убивают убийцы.

    Свобода выбора даёт возможность определиться кто ты такой есть. И это определение массово когда создаёт заоны социума.
    * Конец оступления. Далее возвращаюсь к теме дискуссии*

    4. Между Украиной и Россией есть граница как закрытая с двух сторон на свободное продвижения и на проверки КПП котрольно-пропускного пункта по двум сторонам границы.

    Информации от Украинских Пограничников и КПП о пересечении украинской границы российской армией или танками не поступала и о том чтобы они давали разрешение на въезд тоже не было и информации чтобы подъезжали и просили въезда или пересекли без разрешения не было.

    5. Российские танки делают из железа. Они тяжёлые – гусеницы. шум. мотор. следы от гусениц на дороге. следы от сгорания дизеля. используют и огни возможно. Это не облака ….

    оттого буть там – это было бы зафиксировано и показано и доказано

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  10. Дорогой Ed Eismontas (@EdEismontas). 30 Российских танков – это коллона. шум, следы гусениц и следы отработанного дизеля-возможно и огни – но главное – шум. Российские танки из железа делают. с бронёй – они тяжёлые. гусеницы оставляют следы и шумят. Проехать украинскую границу и КПП погнаничноков и таможников Украине колонне из 150 танков неуслышанными и неувиденными украинскими пограничниками просто невозможно.

    Украинские войска укоплектованы и радиакалами и украинцами и американцами оттого сомнительно чтобы такие люди элементарно бы не настучали о факте проезда колонны 30-150 российских танков с России на Украине – включая и местных жителей, среди которых есть и наци и радикалы и масса шпионов и диверсантов разных стран.

    Танки это не тени невесомые и не привидения и не изображение на экране в фильме – они имеют плотность-вес-шум-оставляют следы гусениц и следы отработанного сгораемого дизиля или солярки. которая в российских ихзделия часто течёт на землю.

    Утверждение о коллоне российских танков с России въехавших на Украине сразу ставит вопрос – но кто бы их пропустил на угрнице? Украинские пограничники и таможники?

    При прррыве же – сила есть сила – доложили бы.как о прорыве российских танков.

    Или Вы считаете правительство Украины дало бы визы и разрешение въезда рсосийским танкам на Донбасс? при контроле со стороны США их там всех?

    Да, украинцы за взятки могут всё, и могут пропустить что угодно и кого угодно тоже. Причём национальная особенность не осуждает таких действий. Простите-просто заработок.

    Но украинские погранвойска усилены американцами и даже и британцами колониальной службы для колоний Великобритании. Вряд бы они пропустили такое и не доложили бы.

    А потеря поста в таможне и погранпостах это потеря дохода – вряд ли бы стали рисковать брать взятки пропустить колонны российских танков и ещё и не доложить тоже.

    Я чиатал другое.

    1. После распада СССР Украине досталось имущество СССР и потому и военное и российские танки. Украина потом им торговала. но что-то оставила и себе. Т.е. Украина имела танки российского производства и владелец была Украина и украинцы.

    2. ряд конфликтных ситуаций на Донбассе привёл к потери украинской армии их вооружения и танков – они попали в руки ополчения Донбасса.

    3. В Луганске в парке рядом с домом номер 25 Тараса Шевченко парк и водопадик фонтан стоит британский танкт 1919 года – британские танки там есть – местные люди есть – коллекционеры оружия и британских танков и российских танков и немецких танков и прочего оружия. Т.е. часть из 3 танков которые увидели могли попасть на публику из частных коллекций.

    4. Танки использовали и просто как машины. ездить на них для прикола. Заряды боевые не покупая. Там бездорожье и грязь. на танке проехать порой просто проще. Такого рода владельцы танков есть – но их танки без боезарядов.

    5. Танк без заряда не может стрелять на поражение целей.

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    6. Если же случилось невероятное — украинская пограничная служба не зафиксировала коллоны российских танков продвигающиеся на Украину с разрешением от Украины на въезд и визами Украины — а тем не менее российские танки появились на Донбассе как то невероятно — то вопрос о методе доставке их – как? По воздуху перебросили сразу на место? грубо шмякнув с экипажем на землю? Это какой грохот тогда стоял там тогда ночью?
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    7. Остались склады ещё со времён 2 Мировоц войны. и накопленные в совесткий период – масса просто. Но снаряды тех времён к современным таком вряд ли подходят на использование.
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    8. Такн может истрялять боевыми снарядами на поражение только если имеет боевые снаряды в комплекте.
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    9. Игорь Стрелков и другие с Донбасса упоминали несуразицу когда выдавали оружие одного образца – а боекомплекты к нему – другого – не совместимого – оттого стрелять они таким оружие просто не могли. вообще

    Песня есть ансамбля Пламя – Валентин Девядко поёт о такой же аналогичной ситуации в 1941-1942 года что была там тогда

    У деревни Крюково погибает взвод
    Все патроны кончились – больше нет гранат
    Их в живых осталось только семеро, молодых соладат.
    Их в живых осталось только семеро, молодых соладат.

    Командир израненных прохрипел: – Вперёд!
    Шёл в атаку яростный 41 год.
    Но штыки горячие бъют не наугад!
    Их в живых осталось только семеро, молодых соладат.

    Будут плакать матери ночи напролёт.
    У деревни Крюково погибает взвод.
    Но штыки горячие бъют не наугад.!
    Их в живых осталось только семеро, молодых соладат.

    — смотрите – ситуация 1941 года смоделированная Сталиным для русских была аналогична. Нехватка боеприпасов.

    На Донбассе-я читала – были старые танки – стояли и их пробывали отремонтировать заново. Но даже и смогли бы – ещё1 и боеприпасы нужны? подходящего типа и калибра?

    И вот я сомневаюсь, чтобы украинское правительством под прямым водительством США и проплате США их зарплат тоде выписали бы разрешения и увизы на пропуск на Украины колонны российских танков 30-150 танков – и ещё и с боекомплектов-и ещё и на Донбасс.

    Что касается России – захотят – въедут без виз. если на танках колонной в 150 танков.

    Но российская то армия не продвигается вот так никогда. Армия – это и танки и пехота и артиллерия и пеленгаторы и авиация. Понимаете?

    Жизнь танка в бою 20 минут без поддержки мощи всей армии. 20 минут. и всё. Причём цифры старые – именно потому никто не станет вводить боевые единицы танков без прикрытия поддержки мощи всей армии.

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    Приказа не было. Был бы приказ – было бы заметно. Продвидение российской армии – самолёты-танки-артилерия-пеленгаторы-пехоты-складские-кухни-прачечные-спортзалы-столовые-госпиталя – этого просто не спрячешь. это было бы заметно. Украинские пограничники на КПП на границе такое бы явн заметили и доложили. А раз доклада не было – то танков российских не было на КПП и они там не проехжали.

    Свои украиснкие скорее всего попали к ополченцам.

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